Question:

One can still say it from the Gemara even after the zman for saying it has passed, or one can say without Sheim UMalchus.

Answer:

One can always read it from the gemorah like the Chasam Sofer did when he wanted to make a bracha “שחלק מחכמתו” on Hagaon Reb. Mashulam Igra.

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