Question:

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I’m visiting family and, while I’m a vegan (so everything I eat is parve) my family has no parve keilim, only milchig and fleishig.

I wanted to make my food in fleishig keilim so there wouldn’t be an issue at the Shabbat table tomorrow, so I asked the nanny (who doesn’t speak a lot of English) whether a specific pan was meat or dairy (my Spanish is not that great) and she said that the pan was meat because it had a blue mark on it. Red, she said, was diary.

So I started cooking frozen mushrooms in the pan with olive oil and spices and salt. In the meantime, I used another frying pan to hydrate dehydrated mushrooms to go along with the frozen ones (with paprika and chipotle spices) — I discovered, after adding the dehydrated mushrooms that the pan was milchig.

In the meantime, I cut up garlic with a fleishig knife on a fleishig cutting board and later added it to the large frying pan with the frozen mushrooms, then added the re-hydrated mushrooms also.

It was only after I put it all in the frying pan that I realized blue must be milchig (because if a another pot with a blue “dairy” sticker and a blue plastic piece on the lid).

As far as I know, none of the pans are ben yomo — nor the knife or cutting board. The mushrooms outnumber the garlic, however, I know batel b’shishim doesn’t hold for spices since it’s only a small amount that makes for a strong taste and taam k’ikar.

So the questions:

1) Can I eat the food and if so, can I eat it on Fleishig dishes, or should I use Milchig dishes or paper dishes?

2) If there is an issue with the food, does it cause an issue with the utensils (teflon frying pans (m), wooden “spoon” (f), knife and cutting board (f))?

3) I was planning on using the mushrooms as part of another dish (a casserole) — what denomination of casserole dish should I use if it’s ok to use the muchrooms?

Answer:

Your question sounds very complicated, but to put it concisely, you have mushrooms that were made it two different milchig pots, and there were garlic’s cut with a fleishig knife that was added to the frying pan. Now you want to know what is the halacha with the frying pan, food, and spoon, and what type of utensils they may be eaten with. (Even if one pan of mushrooms was milchig and one fleishig the halacha will be the same)

  1. The food is considered fleishig, since the garlic was cut with a fleishig knife. Although the mushrooms were cooked in a milchig pot, the pot was aino ben yomo, so b’dieved it doesn’t make it milchig enough to make it ossur. The food may be eaten on fleishig dishes.
  2. The frying pan needs koshering; it absorbed the fleishigs with oil so hagalah will suffice. It has to be cleaned well, and either inserted into a big pot brought to a rolling boil. Alternatively, it can be filled to the top, and the water should be brought to a rolling boil and then something hot should be inserted into it, so that the water cascades over the top and koshers even the top of the walls of the pot. The spoon and cutting board remain fleishig as they started.
  3. The mushrooms may be used for a fleishig casserole, and not for a milchig one.
  4. Have a good Shabbos and enjoy.

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