Question:

If a Minyan in a Shul does not say Tachanun (due to a Simcha), does that obligate all other Minyanim in the Shul to follow suit?

If a person in the Minyan (that has a Simcha) wants to or needs to say Tachanun, is he allowed to go to a different room (or outside) to do so?

Does the same apply to Minyanim that regularly do not same Tachanun by Mincha?

Thanks

Answer:

 

  1. If one minyan doesn’t have to say tachanun, it will occasionally affect the other minyanim depending on the reason that they aren’t saying it:

If there is a bris that will take place in the shul after davening, even the minyanim prior to that minyan bris will not say tachanun.

If the reason they aren’t saying tachanun is because the father, mohel or sandik or a chosson is davening in that minyan, then other minyanim will say tachanun. If the father, chosson etc. is still in the shul but he isn’t davening in that minyan, then it is controversial. ( See sources).

Regarding the other rooms of the shul, if they are side rooms of this shul, i.e. they don’t have their own aron hakodesh, such as an ezras nashim, then they go according to the shul, and they wouldn’t say tachanun. However if they have their own aron hakodesh, i.e. a different shtibel, then they are their own independent shul and they will say tachanun.

  1. If the reason the tzibbur isn’t saying tachanun is because of a reason brought in halacha, chosson, bris, bais avel etc. then there is no need to say it even afterwards, nd no need to go to another room to say it. If the reason the tzibbur is not saying tachanun is because of a minhag not brought in halacha, such as not saying tachanun when there is a yahrtziet of a tzaddik, a person that wants to say tachanun may do so inside the shul.
  2. If he is in a minyan that regularly doesn’t say tachanun by mincha, he should do like them. The reason for this is that it is considered a minhag done with a halachic basis, since we don’t say tachanun at night and there are places that used to daven close to night time, and in order not to say tachanun at night they don’t say it at all by mincha.

Sources:

 

1.Kaf Hachaim 131- 77, Rema 134-4,  M:B 134-24, Birkei Yosef 131-4 however argues. Sefer Hachayim brought in Daas Torah 131-4 , Eishei Yisroel 25-24, Yaskil Avdei 7-hashmatos O:CH 3, Shnos Chaim (R; Ch. Naeh) 8-8 if the baal simcha is not davening in that minyan they do say tachanun, however Daas Torah ibid.,  Chesed Leavrohom 2. See Halicos Shlomo (Teffilah) 11-7, that if the chosson is in the shul waiting for the next minyan etc. then they don’t say, but if he just happened to be in the shul then they do say tachanun.

  1. M:B 131-21, Eishei Yisroel 25-20, Tefilah Khilchoso 15- ftnt 16*in the name of R’ Moshe Feinstein, and R’ Eliyashiv zt”l and Yabia Omer 3-11,
  2. Eishei Yisroel 25 ftnt. 46, in the name of R. S. Z. Auerbach zt”l, Shut Dvar Yehushua3 Y:D 74-5.

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5 Responses to “Tachanun Issues”

  1. 3.If he is in a minyan that regularly doesn’t say tachanun by mincha, he should do like them.

    Why? What they are doing is shelo k’din.

    • It is considered as if they did it with halachic basis, since it is based on the halacha not to say tachanun at night

  2. why does a shul that never says tachunun by mincha have haachic validity that i should do like them, but if they are not saying it because of a yorzeit etz it has less validity and i can say it? They seem very similar!

    • BY the yahrtziet it is without halachic basis at all, but the mincha one, although that is not the halacha, the minhag is considered to have a basis in halacha since it is based on the halacha of not saying tachanun at night

  3. Right – but in those Chassidic congregations where they never say Tachanun they skip it even when it’s still broad daylight. And Rav Belsky said that it is shelo k’din.

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