Question:

I understand that when I am eating a bowl of noodles and I take some cheese from on the table and mix it into the noodles so then when I make a brocha not only will it pattur the cheese mixed in the noodles but it will also pattur the cheese that is in front of me on the table and therefore if I wanted to add more cheese to my noodles after I made the mezonos already then I would not need to make a brocha on the cheese because it is pattured already. I understood that the reasoning behind this is because although the tafel needs a brocha to be made on it nevertheless we say that the bracha on the ikar will pattur the tafel. Based on this I would say that since when I made the brocha mezonos it pattured all the cheese on the table so then even if I wanted to go ahead after I’ve finished my noodles and take some cheese from the table and eat it plain (not with noodles) so then I would not need to make a shehakol because it was pattured already. Am I correct in assuming that if I were to take more cheese from on the table and eat the cheese alone after finishing the noodles that I would not need to make a shehakol?

Answer:

Thank you for your question.

Your question in based on the premise that the cheese is automatically a tafel to the noodles, which in fact can be true very often, but I wouldn’t make a rule out of it. If you are adding the cheese to give taste to the noodles then it is indeed a tafel, however if you really want to eat the cheese, i.e. you want to eat cottage cheese as a protein, and you figure that it taste better eating it together then eating them separately, then the cheese is not a tafel to the noodles, and it would gt it’s own bracha. However even if the cheese will be a tafel, because you are eating it to accompany the noodles, it will patur any cheese that is eaten together with the noodles, but not any cheese that is eaten separately, i..e. after you finish eating the noodles. Therefore if you will eat more cheese afterwards you would have to make a shehakol on it. The reason being, that even if the bracha of the ikar is considered as if a bracha was made on the tafel, it only means that although the it isn’t totally exempt from a bracha, but it is considered that it’s bracha is included in the bracha made on the ilar. However it doesn’t mean that saying mezonos on the noodles is as if he said shehakol on the cheese, enough to patur the other cheese ion the table. That cheese is no different than the milk in the fridge.Therefore you would have to make another bracha on the rest of the cheese.

Best wishes

Sources:

M:B 168-45, Beer Moshe 5-58, Pischei Halacha  7-11.

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