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Havdalla on Tisha Bav

If a person for whatever reason has to eat and drink on Tisha B'Av that comes out on Sunday, and they know this ahead of time, when should they make havdallah on a cos? Should they make Motzei Shabbos like normally (however omit the other parts of havdallah that are omitted when someone would normally make havdallah on Sunday night after Tisha B'Av.) Should they make havdallah (on cos) only right before they will eat or drink. Or Should they wait and make havdallah (on a cos) Sunday night like everyone else?

Answer:

Whenever they are ready to eat they should make havdalla. They should say ony hagefen and birkas havdala. The bracha on besamim is not said, and the bracha on fire is made right at the onset of Tisha Bav.

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4 Comments

  1. did you mean Al gefen? Should such a havdola made on tisha b'av be made on wine/ grape juice or on beer/tea/coffee ?
    Thank you

    1. see shu”t kneses hagdola 2:71 who paskens to use wine. see tshuvos vhanhagos 3:159 that this was the psak of the stepler and of the Brisker Rav. while there are dissenting opinions, grape juice would seem preferable. Shulchan Aruch 552:2 paskens that grape juice is permissible mikar hadin even during seuda mafsekes, the custom is to be stringent. Here there is also no clear alternative, as is well known from the chazon ish and others that there is no beverage that clearly qualifies as chamar medina, a drink which is commonly drank by everyone, and according to some opinions by most people. while coffee may be so, because of the safek one should rely on grape juice sooner than other beverages, this is also the psak of hagaon rav asher weiss.

  2. Wouldn't it be better to use chomer medina instead of grape juice or wine? Don't rov poskim pasken this way? What is your source for halacha l'maseh to use grape juice/wine

    1. see shu"t kneses hagdola 2:71 who paskens to use wine. see tshuvos vhanhagos 3:159 that this was the psak of the stepler and of the Brisker Rav. while there are dissenting opinions, grape juice would seem preferable. Shulchan Aruch 552:2 paskens that grape juice is permissible mikar hadin even during seuda mafsekes, the custom is to be stringent. Here there is also no clear alternative, as is well known from the chazon ish and others that there is no beverage that clearly qualifies as chamar medina, a drink which is commonly drank by everyone, and according to some opinions by most people. while coffee may be so, because of the safek one should rely on grape juice sooner than other beverages, this is also the psak of hagaon rav asher weiss.

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